The Rules!

[B@RT THE KING]

At this moment, these are the rules in Tibia:
1. Names
a) Names which contain insulting (e.g. "Bastard"), racist (e.g. "Nigger"), extremely right-wing (e.g. "Hitler"), sexist (e.g. "Bitch") or offensive (e.g. "Copkiller") language. more...
b) Names containing parts of sentences (e.g. "Mike returns"), nonsensical combinations of letters (e.g. "Fgfshdsfg") or invalid formattings (e.g. "Thegreatknight"). more...
c) Names that obviously do not describe a person (e.g. "Christmastree", "Matrix"), names of real life celebrities (e.g. "Britney Spears"), names that refer to real countries (e.g. "Swedish Druid"), names which were created to fake other players' identities (e.g. "Arieswer" instead of "Arieswar") or official positions (e.g. "System Admin"). more...

2. Statements
a) Insulting, racist, extremely right-wing, sexist, harassing or generally offensive statements. more...
b) Repeating identical or similar statements within a short period of time or use of nonsensical or badly formatted text ("spamming"). more...
c) Advertising content which is not related to the game or offering Tibia items for real money. more...
d) Non-English or not topic related statements in a public game channel or forum board. more...
e) Inciting to violate the Tibia Rules. more...

3. Cheating
a) Exploiting obvious errors of the game ("bugs"), for instance to duplicate items. If you find an error you must report it to CipSoft immediately. more...
b) Intentional abuse of weaknesses in the gameplay, for example arranging objects or players in a way that other players cannot move them. more...
c) Using tools to automatically perform or repeat certain actions without any interaction by the player ("macros"). more...
d) Manipulating the client program or using additional software to play the game. more...
e) Trying to steal other players' account data ("hacking"). more...
f) Playing on more than one account at the same time ("multi-clienting"). more...
g) Offering account data to other players or accepting other players' account data ("account-trading/sharing"). more...

4. Gamemasters
a) Threatening a gamemaster because of his or her actions or position as a gamemaster. more...
b) Pretending to be a gamemaster or to have influence on the decisions of a gamemaster. more...
c) Intentionally giving wrong or misleading information to a gamemaster concerning his or her investigations or making false reports about rule violations. more...

5. Player Killing
a) Excessive killing of characters who are not marked with a "skull" on worlds which are not PvP-enforced. Please note that killing marked characters is not a reason for a banishment. more...

Every single one of these rules sound reasonable and we ought to accept them, were it not that hardly anybody (including tutors and GM's!) follows them.

Weird Banishments

Example:
Player: Can i steal items?
Player II: Yes you can, stealing isn't illigal, so go ahead ;).
<the next day Player II tries to login..>
Sorry, your account has been banished.

Reason: Stealing is indeed legal, but telling people that its not a bad thing doesn't set a good example.

Can you not agree that this is ridiculous? Apperently telling someone the truth can get you banned! funny isn't it?

Change:
Only banish/give notations to players if they did something that is mentioned in the rules, otherwise NOT.

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Proof

Example:
Many of pacera will remember this screenshot:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee177/Alistine/nofioxfireassassinofdoomkillingme.jpg

The players you see in this screenshot were banned(except Alistine). For as far as all of us know, this was the only proof ever given, and as many times said before, SCREENSHOTS DO NOT COUNT AS PROOF! why do they count this time? well, many people said the GM's checked the chatlogs and saw that it was exactly the same as descrided, i dont believe this, i have recently(5 days ago) gotten a notation for saying "/\botter" in help channel, after that i said "sorry w/w" well, obviously the tutor that reported that couldnt tell the part about the w/w, so i got a notation, i decided to complain, i got back that they couldn't recheck on chatlogs :) funny isn't it?

Change:
Don't take screenshots/movie's as proof. punish GM's that ban players without enough evidence.

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Rule 2a

Remove this rule. In the world(or at least most of it) we have freedom of speech, in other words, we can say what we want about other people, except if they are racist comments, and i agree that those should remain illigal, however, 7 days banishment for saying "damn nigger"? isn't a 6-month notation without the possibility to become a tutor not enough? for me it sure is.

Change:
Rule 2a must become this:
2. Statements
a) Racist comments. More...

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Cheating

Current situation:
Player: I no bot, I no bot, I no bot.
Gamemaster: Hello!
Player: I no bot, I no bot, I no bot.
Gamemaster: Are you going to speak to me?
Player: I no bot, I no bot, I no bot.
~banned for 30 days~
Player's second account: I no bot, I no bot, I no bot
etc.

Cipsoft is being far too weak against botters, they ruin servers(mainly non-pvp servers, since there is nothing what we can do against them). Botters are fully aware of what they are doing and players saying an offensive statement not. Botters should put a higher price at stake in order to get lvl's illigally. This way, they will get more scared and less botters will show up in Tibia.

Change:
Make the new punishment for botting a deletion of the character(not the account)+an IP ban, so he wont come back to Tibia for a long time(IP adresses changes).

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Link posting in public channels.

Current situation:
Game Chat:
Player: Omg go watch this movie!! ~youtube link containing tibia movie~
Evil tutor: Hahaha, i know it's a safe site, but you are not allowed to post it! :D BAN!
Sorry, your account has been banished.
Reason: Posting illigal links in game-chat. "~youtube link containing tibia movie~"

Change:
Enlarge the list of legal sites, provided that they are tibia related(can easily be checked by following the links)
Add to the list:
Video.google.com
www.Youtube.com
www.imageshack.us


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Might add some more. first i'd like to hear what you think of it so far.

[aeris]

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signed~

[Sir Rickard]

Signed!

[Mullo]

Yeah, people found cheating should be deleted first time, not banned for 30 days. They then wait till criminal record is gone and start afk botting again. Which is just stupid. Nice proposal Bart. :p

[Deathage]

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signed~

you, sir, are a master of words.

agreed and signed.

[[caroline]]

Keep rule 2a the way it is.
There is no reason why in game politics are being discussed in game-chat. RL Chat, I can understand, but not in any other public channels.
The same on the forums, right wing statements are allowed on the RL board, but keep them off the world boards.
There are many reasons why it is important.

Caroline

[Kapitan-Dragonlord]

I agree with you bart. it's more than fair that all of those mesurements enter the rules as for example my ban for the statement: "if you do kill me your banned" just shows that they worry more about speech than actions (botters) -.-

SIGNED FOR GOD SAKE!!!!!!!!!!

[B@RT THE KING]

;57487']Keep rule 2a the way it is.
There is no reason why in game politics are being discussed in game-chat. RL Chat, I can understand, but not in any other public channels.
The same on the forums, right wing statements are allowed on the RL board, but keep them off the world boards.
There are many reasons why it is important.

Caroline

i dont really get the right wing thing, what does it mean? :p

[Eilthyra Dewshining]

i dont really get the right wing thing, what does it mean? :p

Statements which (mostly) glorify the ideas of a certain dictator in WWII.

I agree on most of your points but rule 2a needs to be there. I think a 7 days banishment for saying 'stupid <insert any race>' is not more than normal. Racism is by law forbidden in real life so it is not more than logical that it is forbidden here as well.
Remember that this is a game with many children... can you imagine being a parent and seeing your son/daughter playing a, on the first sight, innocent game and find out later that the sexistic statements are flashing up every few seconds because there is no such rule that prohibits it?

[Strad]

You forget to quote the General Rule(rule zero). That rule covers the "Weird banishments"

Screenshots and cam's can be taken as a proof only when the player himself post it on a public channel/board, or even if he post the link to his photobucket on his comments (wich is illegal too), all his photobucket can be taken as proof.

You have freedom of speech, but you cannot shoot offences towards another country/race/religion, that is inadmissible under any circumstance.

IP ban to cheating wont be effective. You can change your IP easly.

The fact the links to another websites are illegal has its purpose. Since CipSoft cannot guarantee if the link , even to youtube/imageshack etc. is safe. It's up to the tutor report the player or not and it is up to the CS who is dealing with the report banish or notate the player or even discard the report. So, Tutors don't ban people, CS do. You are allowed to link to fansites, and there are fansites wich allow you to post links to youtube/imageshack etc.

[Dragonslayer]

I only think that they need more restrictions on botters, including harsher penalties.

[B@RT THE KING]

You forget to quote the General Rule(rule zero). That rule covers the "Weird banishments"

Screenshots and cam's can be taken as a proof only when the player himself post it on a public channel/board, or even if he post the link to his photobucket on his comments (wich is illegal too), all his photobucket can be taken as proof.
yes, this is ofcourse logical, but, you CANNOT use screenshots as evidence to get other players banned.



You have freedom of speech, but you cannot shoot offences towards another country/race/religion, that is inadmissible under any circumstance.
I said so myself, no racism.


IP ban to cheating wont be effective. You can change your IP easly.
I said so too, thats why the botted character should get deleted too.


The fact the links to another websites are illegal has its purpose. Since CipSoft cannot guarantee if the link , even to youtube/imageshack etc. is safe. It's up to the tutor report the player or not and it is up to the CS who is dealing with the report banish or notate the player or even discard the report. So, Tutors don't ban people, CS do. You are allowed to link to fansites, and there are fansites wich allow you to post links to youtube/imageshack etc.

lol? more then 50% of the tutors report lame things just to get good reports in order to get senior or w/e. and yes, i agree with you, but do you agree that you shouldnt play for 1 week just because you posted a youtube link? a notation is already sickening much, since it dissallows you to become a tutor for another 6 monts(wich i want desperatly)

[Kapitan-Dragonlord]

Bart is right! 7 days for a youtube link is just to sicK!!!!!
(personal experience here)

So it should change the rule! as it's not a hack site and even cip said to me that it was unfair indeed but "tutors" can't check links so they report.. and that is a little pathetic don't you think?

[Strad]

On the board we can suggest the punishment that would be applied(notation or banishment). There is no such option on the statement report. I always warn the player to not post links to another websites first before to report him. There are youtube videos wich the content is offensive, or there is an advertise of a hack link (such as Tibia Item generator etc.). For security reasons, we are not obligated to follow the link given by the player, I got a trojan on my pc once, just doing it :rolleyes:. The link was a youtube fake or something.
The point is IF you really read the rules, you'd never post a link to another website in the game. You are presumed to know the rules. You agree with them when you create a new account.

Any offence toward another player is not tolerated. Such statements like "you are a retard", "Your mon is fat", "You are gay", "Bastard!" , etc.; Those will just lead you to a banishment. We don't know the context, we don't know how offensive they are to the player who is reading them, but we are sure they are offensive and it's is not tolerated.

I agree that some examples on the rules would be fine.

Strad.

[Kapitan-Dragonlord]

well the: you are gay are never banished on pacera as i say them quite often along with other tutors and seniors so it's just a matter of judgement that part.... depends on what sort of conversation is going on really

[B@RT THE KING]

The point is IF you really read the rules, you'd never post a link to another website in the game. You are presumed to know the rules. You agree with them when you create a new account.


brings me to my first statement, people get banned for things not notated in the rules.

and you forget that things can happen accidentily, like pasting something in paint, but you forgot that you had a link to tibia.de(unsupported) and you get banned, think thats fair?

[Kapitan-Dragonlord]

Or the famous ImagesHACK and youTUBE that we get banned for 1000000x times :/

[Snoopa Luke]

~signed


Awesome ideas those would make good changes. Especially the botter one.

[Phoenix Swordmaster]

agreed and signed.

[Dark Sorcerer]

totally signed:)

[Knight of the White Wolf]

Disagreed

I belive the rules as they are are fine (allthough a little badly wrote mind you).

Give me one problem, ANY problem and I will fully explain it to make it good again..come on...try me!

[B@RT THE KING]

50%+ of the tutors are happy tutors, abusing their powers by reporting every little damn thing they see.

u think that a botter will quit botting when he got banned 30 days? no, they should get the character deleted that has been botted on at least, since the xp was taken illigally.

[Kapitan-Dragonlord]

50%+ of the tutors are happy tutors, abusing their powers by reporting every little damn thing they see.

u think that a botter will quit botting when he got banned 30 days? no, they should get the character deleted that has been botted on at least, since the xp was taken illigally.


Agreed.

[B@RT THE KING]

about 1,5 houres ago a CM logged into pacera, you wouldnt believe the sucking up was done, in about 0.00001 seconds after the CM logged in, our help chat had so much orange in it that it would be "gm appearance like" to speak in normal yellow there.

[Knight of the White Wolf]

I hate suck up tutors........when a CM comes one (Especially Iscen or Neofine) you can see who wants to be GMs etc....
I especially hate it when people call me a suck up (I don't even know why they pick me of all people) or say I "neglect my duties as a tutor" whenever I refuse to report someone because I think it will be stupid to get them banned...

[John]

about 1,5 houres ago a CM logged into pacera, you wouldnt believe the sucking up was done, in about 0.00001 seconds after the CM logged in, our help chat had so much orange in it that it would be "gm appearance like" to speak in normal yellow there.

After like 0.0000001 sec the whole help was spammed. And the special attention was reserved to MR Scapegoatbart with his decreasing English skill, which decreased with each of his replays. And as i could notice he wasn't the only one... Abusing of the channel was sooo big that sometimes we tutors had to use caps lock messages to stop it. And twice Andasstra had to use red text in channel command to stop it.

If you can't understand that it's annoying Bart, then join tutors...And you'll see this side of the help channel. -.-''


50%+ of the tutors are happy tutors, abusing their powers by reporting every little damn thing they see.

u think that a botter will quit botting when he got banned 30 days? no, they should get the character deleted that has been botted on at least, since the xp was taken illigally.

I agree with you about character deleting but power abuser tutors, there way more than 50%... it's easy to see on the tutor board :(

[B@RT THE KING]

After like 0.0000001 sec the whole help was spammed. And the special attention was reserved to MR Scapegoatbart with his decreasing English skill, which decreased with each of his replays. And as i could notice he wasn't the only one... Abusing of the channel was sooo big that sometimes we tutors had to use caps lock messages to stop it. And twice Andasstra had to use red text in channel command to stop it.

If you can't understand that it's annoying Bart, then join tutors...And you'll see this side of the help channel. -.-''



I agree with you about character deleting but power abuser tutors, there way more than 50%... it's easy to see on the tutor board :(

and you said you weren't slifer. thanks for letting us know.

"we tutors needed to use caps" lol, you were the only 1 using caps.

and serious, you were the biggest suck up, i only saw you between the times CM was online....